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Episode 2 · August 11, 2026

What the Dead Teach Us About Living — Dr. Jarred Michalski, Forensic Pathologist

with Dr. Jarred Michalski, Forensic Pathologist

48 min

What the Dead Teach Us About Living — Dr. Jarred Michalski, Forensic Pathologist

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In this episode

In this conversation I sit down with Dr. Jarred Michalski, a forensic pathologist whose work is to investigate unnatural and unexpected deaths — to find out, as he puts it, what actually happened. "Autopsy," he reminds me, simply means "to see for yourself." And spending his days at the place where a life has already ended has given him a rare vantage point on how the rest of us might live while there is still time.

We talk about how he found his way into this field — not by grand design, but by staying open, staying curious, and following what felt true. His story maps closely onto the O.A.S.I.S. framework: being open, observing, and having the courage to act. Most recently that courage looked like leaving Tulsa — a good job, a real community, close friends — to move to San Francisco and work alongside Dr. Bennet Omalu. He's honest about the pull between comfort and adventure, and honest, too, about the regret of leaving people behind.

Underneath it all runs a quiet, insistent theme: impermanence, and the invitation to be present now. Jarred leans on Camus and Krishnamurti to make his case that hope and regret are the same trap — both take us out of the one moment we can actually live in. We land on the idea that life is a practice, that we keep confusing chapters with the end of the book, and that action, not just thought, is what changes us.

Key takeaways

  • "Autopsy" means "to see for yourself" — much of how we understand the body and disease came from looking directly, not from images or bloodwork taken at a single moment in time.
  • Many of us make our biggest decisions "outside in" — choosing what's safe, socially acceptable, or already established — instead of building a life from our true self outward.
  • Jarred frames hope and regret as the same thing: hope wants the future to be a certain way, regret wants the past to be a certain way, and both pull us out of the present, the only place we can actually act.
  • We keep confusing chapters with the end of the book — trying to end our story prematurely at the money, the job, the marriage — when everything is a chapter until we're dead. Make this chapter the best one, then keep moving.
  • Learn from frameworks and traditions, but don't outsource your mind to them. Build your own house from the foundation up — take it in, discuss it, and decide for yourself whether it's true.
  • Thoughts are important, but action changes us. If you can't move your body through the world toward what you find meaningful, the philosophy stays abstract.
  • Physical practice is a form of self-knowledge — from getting off the floor without help to juggling. Juggling in particular teaches you to slow down, break skills into steps, and train both sides of the brain.

Chapters

  • 00:00Camus: hope and regret are the same thing
  • 01:00Welcome and meeting Dr. Jarred Michalski
  • 02:30What forensic pathology actually is — manner vs. cause of death
  • 05:00Falling into medicine by staying open — the O.A.S.I.S. 'being open' step
  • 08:00The forensic rotation that sold him — 'autopsy means to see for yourself'
  • 12:00Working with Dr. Bennet Omalu and the move to San Francisco
  • 15:00Comfort vs. adventure — leaving a good life in Tulsa
  • 19:00Reframing from who you'll be to the journey of the next ten years
  • 23:00What the dead teach us: impermanence and being present
  • 27:00Deconstructing conditioning — standing your mind alone
  • 33:00The body as self-knowledge: movement, gymnastics, and juggling
  • 38:00An invitation to come back and go deeper
An autopsy means to see for yourself. Let's take a look.
Hope is wanting the future to be a certain way and regret is wanting the past to be a certain way — they're the same thing, and both take us out of what we can do right here, right now.
We confuse chapters with the end of the book, and we keep trying to end it prematurely. Stick with the chapter and make it the best chapter you can make.
You can learn from a group, read their sacred texts, take it in — but your mind has to stand entirely alone. Thoughts are important, but action changes us.

About Dr.

Forensic Pathologist

A forensic pathologist who investigates unnatural and unexpected deaths, recently relocated from Tulsa to San Francisco to work alongside Dr. Bennet Omalu. Deeply analytical and equally drawn to philosophy and movement — from gymnastics to juggling — he approaches life as a practice rooted in presence and curiosity.

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